Bang and Olufsen Bull?

[Anonymous]

I just popped into a local Bang and Olufsen dealer to see if they would be interested in my calibration services and was met with what sounded to me like a whole load of bull. For a start they told me that all their TVs were great out of the box and didn’t need calibration. Then they had a £16,000 TV there (!) which I was told was great because it had all sorts of processing in it which constantly monitored the room conditions so if it was bright in the room the TV went brighter and vice versa. Anyway I got the message that they weren’t interested because they didn’t want to admit that their ultra expensive gear might need someone like me to make them accurate. Checking on the B&O website however I see that the £16k TV I was looking at has a built in calibration feature where a “robotic camera arm” swings out and it runs various patterns to calibrate itself after every 100 hours. Take a look here. What do you think?

In any case I’m not waiting up for their phone call!

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[Anonymous]

Sounds cool if it works.

Go to get something for your 16K I suppose…

[Anonymous]

Some stores just don’t care … and that is the way of the world. B&O sells lifestyle pieces. Much like trying to convince Bose to change the way they make products. Lifestyle again. It is not about accuracy … it is about bose sound and that they do just fine and their clientele like exactly what they do. Since when is the marketing of a TV about accuracy …

They actually have the yellowing of plasma TVs over time part correct …

regards

[Anonymous]

Hi Julian,

We have an expensive TV brand Loewe they are very good picture,but still need calibration for what I saw in our shop.
First we get the Loewe Compose LCD and was working with Loewe demo, then came the new Loewe LCD LED working with same picture was total differed color.
We have the Bose Video Wave the picture it is too bright and Bose was saying that this TV is calibrate by ISF for me its not true.

What I am saying is that all TV need calibration when I have the gear I have lot work to do in our shop.

[Anonymous]

The last time this topic came up about B&O they were not discussing the details of their self-calibrating TV’s performance. A calibrator from Europe stated that he had experience with the equipment and that the B&O TVs were calibrated for an 8000K gray scale. I couldn’t find anything publicly published by the manufacturer in support of that statement, or to the contrary. A B&O representative was discussing the potential use of Joe Kane’s Samsung projector in their line a couple of years ago in Denver. I was present for part of the discussions. B&O was attracted to the styling, performance, and simplified calibration procedure from TI incorporated into the design. It does not appear they ever consummated a deal. B&O appears to be primarily focused on aesthetics, automation, and uniqueness. If they can get reference performance along with that, they’re happy. Perhaps someone from the calibrator community will be able to verify the actual performance of their TVs some day. I have not had any opportunity to measure one.

Best regards and beautiful pictures,
Alan Brown, President
CinemaQuest, Inc.
A Lion AV Consultants Affiliate

“Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging”

[Anonymous]

@Simon Dagostino 3105 wrote:

Hi Julian,

We have an expensive TV brand Loewe they are very good picture,but still need calibration for what I saw in our shop.
First we get the Loewe Compose LCD and was working with Loewe demo, then came the new Loewe LCD LED working with same picture was total differed color.
We have the Bose Video Wave the picture it is too bright and Bose was saying that this TV is calibrate by ISF for me its not true.

What I am saying is that all TV need calibration when I have the gear I have lot work to do in our shop.

Simon, I’m glad you mentioned Loewe because I walked into a dealer today who, it turns out, sells mainly Bose and Loewe. I was trying to get him signed up to sell my calibration services but his opinion was – again – that Loewe really don’t need calibration. I politely disagreed and stated that all TVs can benefit from a THX certified calibration. So he challenged me to bring my kit in and try to improve the picture on his demo £5000 Loewe 50″ TV. I accepted the challenge – though I did state that I could probably make the picture more accurate (whether he thinks it’s a better picture is another matter). In any case he quickly went through the menu system on the Loewe so as to prove to me that his £5000 Loewe TV did not come with the relevant controls for calibrating greyscale or a CMS. To be honest I didn’t get a close enough look to confirm whether this was the case. Perhaps you can tell me more about Loewe or point me in the right direction before I go back in? Thanks.

[Anonymous]

@Julian Scott 3111 wrote:

Simon, I’m glad you mentioned Loewe because I walked into a dealer today who, it turns out, sells mainly Bose and Loewe. I was trying to get him signed up to sell my calibration services but his opinion was – again – that Loewe really don’t need calibration. I politely disagreed and stated that all TVs can benefit from a THX certified calibration. So he challenged me to bring my kit in and try to improve the picture on his demo £5000 Loewe 50″ TV. I accepted the challenge – though I did state that I could probably make the picture more accurate (whether he thinks it’s a better picture is another matter). In any case he quickly went through the menu system on the Loewe so as to prove to me that his £5000 Loewe TV did not come with the relevant controls for calibrating greyscale or a CMS. To be honest I didn’t get a close enough look to confirm whether this was the case. Perhaps you can tell me more about Loewe or point me in the right direction before I go back in? Thanks.

I just came in from holiday and still waiting for the gear about the LOEWE TV I just have one in my home and that well be the first to calibrate you have to go on the service mode the calibrate the colour

To enter the service mode you have to press the “M” on the local ring (Loewe-eye). After that skip thru the menu-bar until “service” is highlighted. Now press “menu” on the remote control within one second! If you´re too slow – repeat everything.

In Service-Menu find the item “Colour”. There you can find some settings. *But be careful: all setups are already optimized exfactory. All re-adjustments can cause negative impacts to other picture-performances, like moving-compensation or gamma-correction.

check it out!!

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